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    ST 70 Power out versus EL34 Bias point

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    Post by Tubes4ever Tue Aug 25, 2015 8:37 pm

    Since the original st70 recommended a bias point of 50 mA and Bob recommends a bias of 40mA on the EL34 tubes, I was wondering what the effect of the two different bias points has on output power and harmonic distortion?

    I do understand the benefits to tube life with the lower bias setting.

    Has anyone made these measurement?

    Bob, I'm sure you have some useful data concerning this.

    Thanks!
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    Post by Tubes4ever Wed Aug 26, 2015 12:32 am

    Thanks Peter!
    That was an excellent read. My takeaway was that running the EL34s at 50mA is optimal as far as distortion in concerned. Also, running them at the currently recommended 40mA increases distortion and doesn't radically increase tube life. The 50mA bias point gives the lowest distortion values.

    So, if you want the best possible sound run the tubes at 50mA.
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    Post by Bob Latino Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:40 am

    Comparing the proper bias point on an original stock Dynaco amp with the original driver circuit to the proper bias point on a new Dynaco type amp with a VTA driver circuit is like comparing apples to oranges. The original Dynaco amps ran a rather high 50 milliamp per each output tube and it worked well because Dynaco used the extremely durable Mullard EL34's which would take this rather high bias point in stride. Modern EL34's are not as durable as the old Mullard's and will wear out quicker if run at 50 milliamps on a steady basis.

    Another thing > The original Dynaco ST-70 was designed to run at the standard AC voltage of the 1960's which was 115 - 117 volts. This gave a B+ of about 435 VDC. Running an original Dynaco ST-70 at 120 VAC will run the B+ that those EL34's have to look at to maybe 460 VDC. This will put even a little more stress on those modern EL34's.

    Check out some of the bias recommendations of Rogue and Jolida amps. Many of the amps from both companies that have a fixed adjustable bias recommend a bias in the 35 to 40 milliamps per each output tube. Below is a link to the Rogue Atlas EL34 based amp. On page 6 of the manual they recommend 35 milliamps per each of their four EL34 output tubes.

    Rogue Atlas manual

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    Post by Tubes4ever Wed Aug 26, 2015 1:11 pm

    I have a VTA st70 from Bob that is about 3 years old. With the bias set at 50mA and the input voltage set at exactly 120V using a variac, I get 410V B+ which is exactly what the original 1950s st70 schematic says I should get. This confirms that the new PT is wired for 120V as Bob has stated. I am using the 5AR4 rectifier. Also, the EL34 heater voltage is very close to 6.3V.

    I agree with Peter in that we need to know what amps like Jolida and Rogue are running their B+ at.
    If they are running the same B+ as the ST70, distortion is going to be much higher at 35mA idle current. There's a reason that a bias point is chosen other than seeing how long we can make the tubes last.

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