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    sKiZo

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    Re: U-Turn Audio

    Post by sKiZo on Tue Oct 06, 2015 6:14 pm

    Most "B" sides suck anyways ... the stylus is doing us a favor ...

    deepee99

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    Re: U-Turn Audio

    Post by deepee99 on Tue Oct 06, 2015 6:21 pm

    sKiZo wrote:Most "B" sides suck anyways ... the stylus is doing us a favor ...

    I'll remember than next time I play Dark Side of the Moon.

    Dale Stevens

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    Re: U-Turn Audio

    Post by Dale Stevens on Tue Oct 06, 2015 6:27 pm

    Deepee, our sK out ya on that one! Dale

    vtshopdog

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    Re: U-Turn Audio

    Post by vtshopdog on Tue Oct 06, 2015 7:31 pm

    Me thinks the "shock wave blasting micro particles off the opposite side of the LP" is ad copy brought to us in the same spirit as interconnect cables "made with special alloys that only hold audiophile grade electrons"
    Best way to kill a B side is to trip and fall into your TT shelf or have your hyperactive bird dog pup toss a tennis ball on it . . .

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    Re: U-Turn Audio

    Post by MontanaWay on Tue Oct 06, 2015 7:45 pm

    so here is my current humble setup, with the U-Turn Very Happy





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    Re: U-Turn Audio

    Post by MontanaWay on Tue Oct 06, 2015 7:50 pm

    skriefal wrote:The U-Turn turntables are reasonable entry-level products.  Think of them as comparable to a Technics SL-BD20, or other similar decent "entry-level" turntable from the 1980s.  Except that they're selling the things for not much more than what the SL-BD series sold for 20 years ago -- making them a bargain for a new turntable.

    I'd go for not just reasonable, but excellent entry and even a good all round turntable.
    Remember, its all manual, so you need to compare apples with apples....not apples with bananas!
    I am still immensely impressed with the U-Turn, it is solid, that acrylic platter is HEAVY, heavier than aluminum units I had in the past. So far, I cannot fault it, and with the Ortofon, superb sound ( only as good as the preamp & amp!! Wink )

    deepee99

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    Re: U-Turn Audio

    Post by deepee99 on Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:40 pm

    vtshopdog wrote:Me thinks the "shock wave blasting micro particles off the opposite side of the LP" is ad copy brought to us in the same spirit as interconnect cables "made with special alloys that only hold audiophile grade electrons"
    Best way to kill a B side is to trip and fall into your TT shelf or have your hyperactive bird dog pup toss a tennis ball on it . . .

    I'm inclined to agree with ya. They're selling vinyl "treatment" systems that cost more than an F-150.

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    Re: U-Turn Audio

    Post by sKiZo on Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:48 am

    Gonna dye the cork to match the cabinets on your other gear?

    Wondering about suspension and isolation ...

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    Re: U-Turn Audio

    Post by sKiZo on Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:53 am

    deepee99 wrote:
    I'm inclined to agree with ya. They're selling vinyl "treatment" systems that cost more than an F-150.

    Most of my older vinyl has the LAST treatment. Good enough for the Smithstonian, it's good enough for me. Stuff could probably survive a nuclear attack ...

    Interesting stuff though. It's supposed to actually change the molecular structure of the vinyl to make it next to bulletproof.

    Our preservative prevents the development of annoying pops and clicks and maintains "as new" condition on the vinyl record for 200 plays or more. It works by chemically enhancing the molecular stability - and therefore the cohesiveness - of the groove surface so that it completely resists the damaging effects of stylus shock waves.

    http://thelastfactory.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=category&virtuemart_category_id=1

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    Re: U-Turn Audio

    Post by MontanaWay on Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:44 am

    sKiZo wrote:Gonna dye the cork to match the cabinets on your other gear?

    Wondering about suspension and isolation ...

    since I change my gear on a regular basis and chassis woods and finishes vary, I'll leave it. Beside, I like the look of natural cork.
    I gave the plinth a good knock with my knuckle whilst playing, no needle jump, steady as she goes.

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    Re: U-Turn Audio

    Post by MontanaWay on Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:46 am

    deepee99 wrote:Well, from turntables to vinyl care, anyway. Just came across this, posted a few weeks ago on Amazon. It refers to the DiscWasher we all knew and loved as children:

    To those of you lamenting that this product "isn't like it used to be" I hate to break it to you, but even then you shouldn't have been using it. It is incredible that to this day people still don't understand what goes on with a record, but here are the facts so you know what you are getting into.

    Making a record is like making a waffle. Do waffles fall out of the machine cleanly? Not unless you spray it, and the same goes for records. The press is sprayed with a mold release compound and this compound remains on the record and discwasher, old or new, does not remove it. In any case when do brushes clean well? Brushes only push dirt around, if you want the dirt gone you have to use a vac to suck it up.

    Records are also damaged not how you think. Vinyl is soft, yet at the stylus tip there is incredible pressure and heat however what happens is it creates a shock wave that emanates from the point of contact and the most direct point of exit from there is.... yes, the OTHER side of the record. This shock wave reaches the other side, the side ends, and the force of it blasts out tiny pieces of weak vinyl on that side which remain in the groove. Using discwasher only pushes these bits about... if that... they remain in the groove. So when you flip the record to then play that side, the heat from the stylus melts this debris and the pressure welds it in new spots on the record creating, that's right, pops, ticks and other noise. That is where this noise comes from, and why it cannot be removed from cleaning. You damaged the record and then welded the damage to a new spot. It's there forever.

    There is an answer but in short vinyl is a lifestyle. Before any record is ever played it should be cleaned on a record cleaning machine (like Nitty Gritty) using a solution designed to remove the compounds etc.. on it's surface. The cleaner breaks it down, the machine removes it, as in actually removes it because it sucks it off. Then the record should be treated with Last record preservative. This hardens the vinyl surface a few micros of an inch and prevents the vinyl from breaking from shock.

    That's it - Never play a record not cleaned, (because if you do your stylus is now contaminated as well) and once cleaned treat it to preserve it. If you do that, and use a quality setup, you will be amazed. I own thousands of records from the 80's, many played hundreds of times and none of them make any noise (well.. the ones pressed well to begin with that is, but that's a different issue) and I mean any noise. My records do not have pops and ticks. That is what is required, and this product is not even close. In fact tests back then showed, because this brush becomes essentially a filthy mop, that using it spreads MORE debris on the record than was there before. Do not use it.

    I'm no expert in plastics, chemistry, molecules etc., but it mostly sounds to me like mumbo jumbo!......a 'good' spiel from someone wanting to sell their gear!
    If you want perfect, crackle free, dust free, oil free, anything else free music....buy a CD!

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    New platter-spinner

    Post by deepee99 on Sat Oct 17, 2015 6:35 pm

    Hey, Montana,
    How's that new platter-spinner working for you, now that you've had it a coupla weeks?

    MontanaWay

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    Re: U-Turn Audio

    Post by MontanaWay on Sat Oct 17, 2015 6:54 pm

    deepee99 wrote:Hey, Montana,
    How's that new platter-spinner working for you, now that you've had it a coupla weeks?

    excellent!
    The only thing that U-Turn could/should look at is the cover. It has a tendency to fall back down unless you really make sure it is all the way back. Those plastic hinges used for the cover tend to want to move back to the 'cover down' position.
    Other than that, I am VERY happy with it. I just cannot get the needle to bounce, no matter how hard I jump up and down next to the turntable or knock the plinth with my knuckles. And yes, the arm/cartridge is properly balanced.

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