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    audiobill

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    An interesting read

    Post by audiobill on Sat May 21, 2016 4:17 pm

    http://www.stereophile.com/content/fallacy-accuracy#sK7l0FbCmAYTDg1e.97

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    Re: An interesting read

    Post by tubes4hifi on Sat May 21, 2016 5:31 pm

    yes, excellent article . . . as I always say, what you hear "it's all subjective"
    if all amplifiers and preamplifiers have excellent specs, why do they SOUND different.
    Obviously speakers don't all sound the same. Tubes don't all sound the same. Transistors don't all sound the same (just crappy!!)

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    Re: An interesting read

    Post by bluemeanies on Sat May 21, 2016 7:18 pm

    Good article audiobill,
    In particular I agree with this;

    "There is no perfection and there is no accuracy in loudspeaker design; it's all relative," he said. "Listeners hear things differently, there are always physiological differences, there are always biases based on individual experiences. Simply put, there is no absolute sound."

    This might open Pandora's box as to how much better does digital vs vinyl vs streaming relate to different speakers. The obvious to me is nothing is perfection or accurate unless it's Live. That will never be recreated in its "perfected state"


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    Re: An interesting read

    Post by Kentley on Sat May 21, 2016 8:18 pm

    Two important points here:
    One - the article stresses the truth that a studio performance exists as an artifact which is totally fabricated. The "original" IS the mixed master, which in itself is a manufactured illusion. This is also true to a large degree in "live concert" recording. No amount of mic placement and engineering juju can ever recreate the experience of being there. But sometimes a live recording can actually surpass the original in clarity and focus.
    Two - we are likely to ignore the implications of intended listening levels. A recording is likely to sound best when the levels are congruous with the levels used in the control room. I suspect that many engineers try a number of different monitoring setups and find an average that sounds O.K. on earbuds AND big speakers AND your desktop system - but NONE of these really excel. Once again - compromise. The implications are obvious. There is likely never going to be perfection nor accuracy. There's only a more or less informed simulation of an illusion.
    "Pay no attention to the engineer behind the curtain" may seem to be good advice, but a certain amount of foreknowlege about the intention of the producer will at least start us in the right direction.
    I like to think that I, by attaining a relatively control-room-like listening space, have gotten perhaps a bit closer to hearing, at least, the intentions of the production team. Maybe that is vanity, but what I can vouch for is that a somewhat neutral space can at least start me off in the right direction.

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    Re: An interesting read

    Post by bluemeanies on Sat Jun 11, 2016 10:56 am

    Good read.
    I find that in the end the final process is what I hear with my own ears. The same for everyone else.
    It's not the product alone whether it be the speakers or the recording.
    Case in point a few months ago my friend purchased a pair of WARFARDALE Jade3's.
    We listened to some classical and contemporary on the Jades as well, we listened to the same recordings on a pair of HARBETHs'. I myself like the HARBETHs...crystal clear,not bright with the perfect amount of low end. Not a sound I would get readily tired of from hours of listening. My friends liked the Jade 3's which were almost absent of bass IMO.
    No matter to me what the sale person was rattling off numbers about the Jade's my ears were telling me the HARBETHs was the better of the two choices.
    My friend bought the Jades about 6months ago and just mentioned to me that he is putting them on the market b/c he has decided to go to a floor standing speakers.
    He will also be selling a pair of handmade speaker stands that he made himself.
    He is a master carpenter.

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