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    new Dynaco ST70 series 3 coming

    Post by tubes4hifi on Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:22 pm

    In an article in the May 2017 issue of AudioXpress . . . .
    "This month we bring an exclusive R&D Story on the revival of the Dynaco brand and the development project of the new Dynaco ST-70 Series 3 stereo tube amplifier. The article is written by Dan Fraser, the Senior Design
    Engineer responsible for the Radial Engineering team who designed the new generation Dynaco ST-70 Series 3. An historical revival.
    Since acquiring the legendary Hafler and Dynaco brands in 2014, Radial Engineering has been carefully working on the Dynaco ST-70 Series 3 tube amplifier. In an effort to create a truly worthy successor of one of the most
    successful tube amplifiers of all time, its design team has considered all the options needed to meet the expectations that come with David Hafler’s work. As Fraser writes, “Tens of thousands of original Dynaco tube amplifiers
    are still in use around the world. In fact, more quality music systems have included Dynaco tube preamps and power amplifiers than any other combination. The original Dynaco Stereo 70 is a true classic still regarded with
    awe by audio enthusiasts worldwide. This “new ST-70 Series 3” reflects the illustrious history of Dynaco’s involvement with vacuum tube designs as well as the latest advances in vacuum tube technology. We like to think of
    the ST-70 Series 3 as the update that David Hafler would have made if he were alive today.”
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    Post by tubenutr on Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:41 pm

    tubes4hifi wrote:In an article in the May 2017 issue of AudioXpress . . . .
     "This month we bring an exclusive R&D Story on the revival of the Dynaco brand and the development project of the new Dynaco ST-70 Series 3 stereo tube amplifier. The article is written by Dan Fraser, the Senior Design  
     Engineer responsible for the Radial Engineering team who designed the new generation Dynaco ST-70 Series 3. An historical revival.
     Since acquiring the legendary Hafler and Dynaco brands in 2014, Radial Engineering has been carefully working on the Dynaco ST-70 Series 3 tube amplifier. In an effort to create a truly worthy successor of one of the most    
     successful tube amplifiers of all time, its design team has considered all the options needed to meet the expectations that come with David Hafler’s work. As Fraser writes, “Tens of thousands of original Dynaco tube amplifiers
     are still in use around the world. In fact, more quality music systems have included Dynaco tube preamps and power amplifiers than any other combination. The original Dynaco Stereo 70 is a true classic still regarded with
     awe by audio enthusiasts worldwide. This “new ST-70 Series 3” reflects the illustrious history of Dynaco’s involvement with vacuum tube designs as well as the latest advances in vacuum tube technology. We like to think of
     the ST-70 Series 3 as the update that David Hafler would have made if he were alive today.”


    Probably not as good as a VTA ST70

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    Post by cci1492 on Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:16 pm

    That Dynaco ST-1 looks nice, wonder how well it sounds.

    http://www.enjoythemusic.com/HIGH_END_2016/Dynaco/
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    Post by Kentley on Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:07 pm

    Now take a gander at the price. Three times that of the VTA ST-70. With many of the improvements "borrowed" from the VTA. Is better WAF worth it?
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    Post by bluemeanies on Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:43 am

    Kentley wrote:Now take a gander at the price. Three times that of the VTA ST-70. With many of the improvements "borrowed" from the VTA. Is better WAF worth it?



    Exactly Kentley...I cannot get over that some people do not see the value in Bob Latinos amplifiers on a financial level, design status and quality built in this country.
    It's like re-inventing the wheel.
    My POSTMAN whom I see infrequently has heard my m125's and he himself has stated that he never knew about tubes4hifi or Bob Latino before he purchased his McIntosh 275 for $6500.00 but if he had and was able to hear the performance of the m125's he would not have wasted his money.
    That's exactly what he told me in those words..."wasted his money"
    The Postman comes twice...for that is the second time he has complimented Bob's mono-blocks.
    I think he would sell his 275 but does not want to take even a small $$$ lost.
    At the time I purchased my m125's I could have went to McIntosh and spent less on the speakers...at the time I had money saved from a few years and sold off some good pristine equipment. So the $$$ were there.
    However after hearing the m125's with a pair of Dynaudios' I was sold.
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    Re: new Dynaco ST70 series 3 coming

    Post by Tube Nube on Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:17 am

    At that price, hopefully the 70-3 will no longer be a compromise formation, like the original. A new group of audio hobbyists will be introduced to tubes, changing their own tubes and some of them, when thinking to upgrade, will doubtless come to hear about the legendary and still ongoing DIY side.

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    Re: new Dynaco ST70 series 3 coming

    Post by Dogstar on Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:57 am

    I can only imagine that this forum will gain more members once the new ST-70 Mk 3 goes on the market. Then I bet at least a few of them will kick themselves in butt for spending as much as they did and regret that could have purchased a VTA ST-70 for 1/3 the price or a pair of M125's for the same price.

    Perhaps there will also be the snooty types that will think that having a real Dynaco amp is better than having a VTA amp.


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    Post by mcgyver74 on Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:33 am

    Are the new Dyncao stuff kits or are they coming like any other Mass produced amp (IE Made in China)?

    For me, even if I COULD afford something like a MC275, I would still have gone with the Latino amp, for me the fact that I built it with my own 2 hands makes it all that much more special for me (And it sounds AWESOME) Smile
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    Post by Bob Latino on Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:28 pm

    mcgyver74 wrote:Are the new Dyncao stuff kits or are they coming like any other Mass produced amp (IE Made in China)?

    AFAIK > That Dynaco ST-70 series 3 will only be available as a wired amp ..

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    Post by peterh on Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:48 pm

    It's amazing that we will have 4 lines of more or less identical amplifiers on the market. This is
    a good indication of the original design.
    It will however make it difficult to sell one significantly more expensive then the others. This fact
    will get the prices to attract to a common level, while the remaining competition tools will be
    support and fail-free operation of the amps.

    Expensive marketing might be used, but in the long run i think good support (Bob) will be winner
    in this race, extensive marketing (by competitor ) will benefit all producers as this will
    hammer in the inherent qualities of the design.

    Mac and other "high-priced" are the ones that should fear the new dynaco's.


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    Post by mcgyver74 on Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:13 pm

    peterh wrote:It's amazing that we will have 4 lines of more or less identical amplifiers on the market.  This is
    a good indication of  the original design.
    It will however make it difficult to sell one significantly more expensive then the others.  This fact
    will get the prices to attract to a common level, while the remaining competition tools will be
    support and fail-free operation of the amps.

    Expensive marketing might be used, but in the long run i think good support (Bob) will be winner
    in this race, extensive marketing (by competitor ) will benefit all producers as this will
    hammer in the inherent qualities of the design.


    I just thought of something, is the St-70 and Dynaco "Look" copyrighted or trademarked in any way? I only ask because Bob sells his excellent amplifiers calling them "Dynaco VTA St-XXX" and if this new company is trying to build market share and really build a brand then sadly an attorneys letter could cause problems Sad
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    Re: new Dynaco ST70 series 3 coming

    Post by Tube Nube on Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:57 am

    Since the vta amps are somewhat different in their dimensions, and quite different when it comes to the circuit board and components, I don't imagine there's any case for infringement there. If the dynaco and dynakit names are owned, however, I don't know what the implications are. I'm sure, were it not for the thriving businesses supplying parts all the way up to reproductions and beyond to the modernized versions like Roy and Bob produce, then no one would have dared venture this new 3rd iteration of a commercially produced ST70.

    I'm reminded of the popular reproduction Porsche speedsters ome sees -- they all carry a reproduction "Porsche" badge. Is this an infringememt?

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    Post by Dogstar on Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:52 am

    Years ago when I was living in an alternate universe I suggested to Bob that the chassis that comes with the VTA amp have any reference to Dynaco removed since the amp really isn't a 'Dynaco'. With the new ST-70 Mk 3 legally being a Dynaco product perhaps they will pursue monetary compensation for using the Dynaco name?

    Not sure if it's necessary but is the circuit in the VTA ST-70/VTA ST-120/M-125 really patented by VTA? Or is it patented by Dynaco? I'm asking because it says so on the chassis

    And now after posting this reply I see Tube Nube beat me to the thought.
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    Re: new Dynaco ST70 series 3 coming

    Post by Bob Latino on Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:48 am

    There is nothing on any of the VTA amps that says "Dynaco". Nothing on the chassis or any of the parts included with any of the kits. The driver circuit is completely different than the original Dynaco circuit.

    Bob

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    Re: new Dynaco ST70 series 3 coming

    Post by mcgyver74 on Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:07 am

    Bob Latino wrote:There is nothing on any of the VTA amps that says "Dynaco". Nothing on the chassis or any of the parts included with any of the kits. The driver circuit is completely different than the original Dynaco circuit.

    Bob

    No, but the Chassis says Dyna Company....THat probably would be a non issue since there is an address that is likley defunct..

    However, even if the chassis/boards do not, your website does, repeatedly.


    Not trying to stir the pot, just don't want to see any issues with us being able to get your most excellent amps Smile Especially when I suspect your amps are already going to be better then the "new" Dynaco stuff Smile )!!!

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