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    Corona

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    Haven't been around in a while, a few questions

    Post by Corona on Fri Jun 09, 2017 4:59 pm

    Hey all, I haven't been around in a while (was in school and didn't have money for many audio upgrades), but I'm finally getting back into looking at some upgrades for my systems. (VTA-70, M125 monoblocks and SP14 preamp).
    I've been lurking a bit and read about the possibility of using CV181's in the SP14 instead of the sovtek 6sn7's I'm currently running in it. The CV181's are quite expensive for a quad, so this is only something I would want to do if there would be a notable improvement. Anybody else using them in a sp14 or have thoughts on them?
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/4pc-Shuguang-Treasure-CV181-Z-Replace-6SN7-6N8P-Matched-Quad-warranty-12-months-/252433943663?hash=item3ac63c4c6f:g:6e8AAOSwYIhWh2fW

    I've also been seeing those 'hifi' audiophile power cords and was wondering if those have ANY benefit or if they're just pure snake oil. I'm leaning towards them being pure snake oil.

    Thanks
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    deepee99

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    Re: Haven't been around in a while, a few questions

    Post by deepee99 on Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:18 pm

    A good set of high-end Chinese CV-181s will match or top any NOS US-made 6SN7GT. I love 'em. Problem is, their QC is lousy and refunds/replacements, while honoured, are more expensive to return via China Post than to just buy a new tube. I can't personally vouch, but am hearing good reports on the new-issue Tung-Sol 6SN7s. Best source IMHO for those would be Jim McShane.
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    Re: Haven't been around in a while, a few questions

    Post by corndog71 on Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:54 pm

    If you want to learn some of the science behind power cords consider reading about shunyata cables.  They're a bit pricey but I hear they're very effective.

    Corona

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    Post by Corona on Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:01 am

    Thanks for the advice all. I'm interested in the CV-181 tubes, but as pointed out above the shipping to and from China is slightly worrisome. I might just look around a bit to see if there are any US based resellers. I've done some research on the cables and the responses seem to be pretty split between people calling them bogus, and people saying they actually improve sound quality. Makes one wonder if the positive reviews of the cables are a combination of the placebo effect combined with the desire to justify the purchase, or if they really do help.
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    Post by deepee99 on Sat Jun 10, 2017 7:57 am

    The Tube Store
    http://www.thetubestore.com/Tubes/6SN7-Tube-Types/Shuguang-Treasure-CV181-Z
    in the U.S. sells the Chinese CV-181 Shu Guang Treasure series with a 3-month warranty, but you're going to pay $220 for a matched pair.

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    Post by Dogstar on Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:55 am

    Not trying to start a war but those boutique cables that are astronomically priced are not worth it. Saw and heard a few demos at Axpona and to me its all hocus pocus, mumbo jumbo.

    Another forum member was nice enough to send me a bunch of vintage 6SN7 tubes to try in the center pcb position on my VTA ST-120 and they do sound nice. Just offering that as a possibility rather than springing $400+ for a quad of CV-181's. I'm going to try out the Tung Sol 6SN7 tube also.
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    Re: Haven't been around in a while, a few questions

    Post by deepee99 on Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:26 pm

    Dogstar wrote:Not trying to start a war but those boutique cables that are astronomically priced are not worth it. Saw and heard a few demos at Axpona and to me its all hocus pocus, mumbo jumbo.

    Another forum member was nice enough to send me a bunch of vintage 6SN7 tubes to try in the center pcb position on my VTA ST-120 and they do sound nice. Just offering that as a possibility rather than springing $400+ for a quad of CV-181's. I'm going to try out the Tung Sol 6SN7 tube also.

    Blue Jeans Cable in Seattle has a great series of articles on the subject of "boutique" cabling:
    http://www.bluejeanscable.com/articles/index.htm
    Strips a lot of the B.S. away from what's really going on with those little electrons our tubes are shooting around.
    Here's also a good primer from BJC on what wire does:
    http://www.bluejeanscable.com/articles/whatwiredoes.htm


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    Re: Haven't been around in a while, a few questions

    Post by Dogstar on Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:17 pm

    deepee99 wrote:
    Dogstar wrote:Not trying to start a war but those boutique cables that are astronomically priced are not worth it. Saw and heard a few demos at Axpona and to me its all hocus pocus, mumbo jumbo.

    Another forum member was nice enough to send me a bunch of vintage 6SN7 tubes to try in the center pcb position on my VTA ST-120 and they do sound nice. Just offering that as a possibility rather than springing $400+ for a quad of CV-181's. I'm going to try out the Tung Sol 6SN7 tube also.

    Blue Jeans Cable in Seattle has a great series of articles on the subject of "boutique" cabling:
    http://www.bluejeanscable.com/articles/index.htm
    Strips a lot of the B.S. away from what's really going on with those little electrons our tubes are shooting around.
    Here's also a good primer from BJC on what wire does:
    http://www.bluejeanscable.com/articles/whatwiredoes.htm

    Blue Jean Cable speaker cables are reasonably priced. I wouldn't consider them to be excessively priced cables. The ones I'm referring to are the ones that are rediculously priced (1000's if dollars) that are simply status symbols with no actual improvement in sound quality compared to BJC's.
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    Post by deepee99 on Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:35 am

    Dogstar wrote:
    deepee99 wrote:
    Dogstar wrote:Not trying to start a war but those boutique cables that are astronomically priced are not worth it. Saw and heard a few demos at Axpona and to me its all hocus pocus, mumbo jumbo.

    Another forum member was nice enough to send me a bunch of vintage 6SN7 tubes to try in the center pcb position on my VTA ST-120 and they do sound nice. Just offering that as a possibility rather than springing $400+ for a quad of CV-181's. I'm going to try out the Tung Sol 6SN7 tube also.

    Blue Jeans Cable in Seattle has a great series of articles on the subject of "boutique" cabling:
    http://www.bluejeanscable.com/articles/index.htm
    Strips a lot of the B.S. away from what's really going on with those little electrons our tubes are shooting around.
    Here's also a good primer from BJC on what wire does:
    http://www.bluejeanscable.com/articles/whatwiredoes.htm

    Blue Jean Cable speaker cables are reasonably priced. I wouldn't consider them to be excessively priced cables. The ones I'm referring to are the ones that are rediculously priced (1000's if dollars) that are simply status symbols with no actual improvement in sound quality compared to BJC's.

    Dogstar, you missed my point (or I didn't state it well). BJC's are well-built, high quality, no-frills US-made cables. And they are also very frank about what cable can and can't do. and what it needs and needn't do in the hi-fi (and even broadcast) environment.They put their money into research and production quality, not 4-colour double-track ads in The Absolute Sound. They build to order and if you get your order in early enough (they're on Pacific time) it will generally ship that afternoon or at latest the next day. I am partial to silver-wire interconnects (which they don't build) for some applications, but for most analogue and all digital runs, it's BJC. As an aside, I was in Wal-Mart this weekend and wandered into their electronics section; their Chinese-made HDMI cables were nearly twice the price BJC for a much more substantial, Belden copper-based cable with much sturdier terminations. Bob Latino turned me on to BJC a few years ago and it was damn good advice. Their philosophies seems much the same: all quality and no hype.

    Corona

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    Re: Haven't been around in a while, a few questions

    Post by Corona on Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:12 pm

    deepee99 wrote:The Tube Store
    http://www.thetubestore.com/Tubes/6SN7-Tube-Types/Shuguang-Treasure-CV181-Z
    in the U.S. sells the Chinese CV-181 Shu Guang Treasure series with a 3-month warranty, but you're going to pay $220 for a matched pair.
    Hmmm, twice the cost affraid
    I might just need to risk it ordering them from China. Ebay has a pretty favorable policy towards buyers right? If I order them I'll post any updates on the results when they come.

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    Re: Haven't been around in a while, a few questions

    Post by Dogstar on Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:46 pm

    deepee99 wrote:
    Dogstar wrote:
    deepee99 wrote:
    Dogstar wrote:Not trying to start a war but those boutique cables that are astronomically priced are not worth it. Saw and heard a few demos at Axpona and to me its all hocus pocus, mumbo jumbo.

    Another forum member was nice enough to send me a bunch of vintage 6SN7 tubes to try in the center pcb position on my VTA ST-120 and they do sound nice. Just offering that as a possibility rather than springing $400+ for a quad of CV-181's. I'm going to try out the Tung Sol 6SN7 tube also.

    Blue Jeans Cable in Seattle has a great series of articles on the subject of "boutique" cabling:
    http://www.bluejeanscable.com/articles/index.htm
    Strips a lot of the B.S. away from what's really going on with those little electrons our tubes are shooting around.
    Here's also a good primer from BJC on what wire does:
    http://www.bluejeanscable.com/articles/whatwiredoes.htm

    I am using AudioQuest interconnects and speaker cables I made from 12 gage cable I bought from Radio Shack. I do have about 24 feet of AudioQuest Type 4 speaker cable, along with the Termination Pants and some Nakamici Banana Plugs I'm going to put together some say that I hope makes the music sound even more tubey.

    Blue Jean Cable speaker cables are reasonably priced. I wouldn't consider them to be excessively priced cables. The ones I'm referring to are the ones that are rediculously priced (1000's if dollars) that are simply status symbols with no actual improvement in sound quality compared to BJC's.

    Dogstar, you missed my point (or I didn't state it well). BJC's are well-built, high quality, no-frills US-made cables. And they are also very frank about what cable can and can't do. and what it needs and needn't do in the hi-fi (and even broadcast) environment.They put their money into research and production quality, not 4-colour double-track ads in The Absolute Sound. They build to order and if you get your order in early enough (they're on Pacific time) it will generally ship that afternoon or at latest the next day. I am partial to silver-wire interconnects (which they don't build) for some applications, but for most analogue and all digital runs, it's BJC. As an aside, I was in Wal-Mart this weekend and wandered into their electronics section; their Chinese-made HDMI cables were nearly twice the price BJC for a much more substantial, Belden copper-based cable with much sturdier terminations. Bob Latino turned me on to BJC a few years ago and it was damn good advice. Their philosophies seems much the same: all quality and no hype.

    When I wrote 'boutique cables' I was referring to cables such as SilNote Audio cables which don't improve sound quality at all. But look at the prices.

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