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    VTA ST70 static pop on shutdown

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    rymi

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    VTA ST70 static pop on shutdown

    Post by rymi on Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:48 am

    I started using my vta st70 with an active preamp. (before I was just using a volume pot with no issue). I turn down the volume on the pre and then I turn off the power amp first and I get a quick static/arc pop when I toggle the switch. Its intermittent, it doesn't occur each time but it does the majority of the time.

    I assume the switch is good since it never occurs when I have it plugged into the volume pot instead. I like to avoid having to replace the switch or add a cap across the switch unless you recommend that.


    Is this damaging to the speakers or amp?
    Do you think I should try powering down the preamp first? Or will this give me an even bigger surprise?



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    Re: VTA ST70 static pop on shutdown

    Post by peterh on Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:47 am

    The reason for the pop is that the breaker breaks at randomly parts of the AC waveform.
    This may be reduced by connecting a cap and resistor in parallell with the breaker, note that
    this should be a mains-certified ( whatever that means in US ) component.

    I avoid this by using a SSR to power my poweramps, they close and opens at the zero crossing
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    Re: VTA ST70 static pop on shutdown

    Post by Peter W. on Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:49 am

    Is this damaging to the speakers or amp?

    Probably unless the pop is not *very* loud indeed.

    Do you think I should try powering down the preamp first? Or will this give me an even bigger surprise?

    Bigger surprise, most likely. Amp on last, off first is generally the ideal.

    Try this: With the amp turned off, install shorting plugs on the amp input. Turn it on. Turn the VC(on the amp, if so-equipped) to *Full*. Assuming no objectionable noises, allow the amp to run for about five full minutes. Turn off. Do you get the same *POP*? If so, there is an issue with the amp. If not, with the pre-amp.  Let us know.

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    Re: VTA ST70 static pop on shutdown

    Post by rymi on Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:12 am


    How about just simply switching everything off at once from the power strip? Do you think I will get the "snap" then? If I try this, will I get the same surprise I would if I switched the preamp off first?

    also

    If I add a cap (and maybe a more robust toggle switch).... what value do I use? And is that simply added across the switch terminals?

    This has occurred with 2 different active preamps but not with a passive preamp so its hard to point a finger at either.


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    Re: VTA ST70 static pop on shutdown

    Post by rymi on Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:59 am

    OK so I notice

    Turning off the pre first it doesn't pop immediately, but it does a few moments after switching it off as the tubes come down.

    However, turning off both the pre and amp at the same time via the power strip, there is no noise at all.

    Is there any harm in turning off the equipment at the power strip each time?
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    Re: VTA ST70 static pop on shutdown

    Post by Peter W. on Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:11 pm

    Is there any harm in turning off the equipment at the power strip each time? [/quote]

    Nope.
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    Re: VTA ST70 static pop on shutdown

    Post by peterh on Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:12 pm

    rymi wrote:OK so I notice

    Turning off the pre first it doesn't pop immediately, but it does a few moments after switching it off as the tubes come down.

    However, turning off both the pre and amp at the same time via the power strip, there is no noise at all.

    Is there any harm in turning off the equipment at the power strip each time?
    No. It's in addition convenient.

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    Re: VTA ST70 static pop on shutdown

    Post by rymi on Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:54 pm

    Great, works for now but just masking an issue....

    so as far as adding a snubber cap.

    What value? A resistor too? Both across the switch?
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    Re: VTA ST70 static pop on shutdown

    Post by Peter W. on Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:13 pm

    rymi wrote:Great, works for now but just masking an issue....

    so as far as adding a snubber cap.

    What value? A resistor too? Both across the switch?

    Type X if across the mains.
    Type Y if from Mains to Chassis
    Some caps are rated both ways.

    Value = 0.10 uF in most cases under discussion here.

    If the amp does not *POP* on its own - then there is no need for this cap. Full Stop.

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    Re: VTA ST70 static pop on shutdown

    Post by rymi on Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:20 pm

    I didn't try shorting rca's. However, it doesn't do it with the simple volume pot instead of the active preamp. So does that means the same thing.... the snubber cap is not necessary?

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