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    My VTA ST-120 is on the way .....and other loose ramblings of an old fart

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    Re: My VTA ST-120 is on the way .....and other loose ramblings of an old fart

    Post by Roy on Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:10 am

    Not wasting any time ^^     That jig looks véry useful -  got some more pics of it handy Cletus?
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    Post by CletusB on Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:27 am

    Roy wrote:Not wasting any time ^^     That jig looks véry useful  -  got some more pics of it handy Cletus?

    Sure thing   ....here yuh go:





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    Post by CletusB on Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:31 am

    Got up early, had my morning brew (coffee that is ...LOL!) and started mounting some hardware and sorting some wires   ....with the output transformers mounted, there's not much chassis real estate at the sides to hold it in the jig.  





    NOTE: I did not like the way the wires exited the output transformers and into the chassis as they could potentially chafe on the chassis holes, so I cut some 1" pieces of poly tubing to run the wiring through at those four points.



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    Post by Roy on Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:37 am

    Nice - thank you! Our own 120 kit is slated for next month.. Still waiting on my new Hakko 888 and busy building a little soldering fume extractor using some cooking hood carbon filters and car interior hepa filters so my kid can enjoy helping dad during the construction with no worries - this jig will do nicely also
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    Post by CletusB on Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:41 am

    Roy wrote:Nice - thank you!   Our own 120 kit is slated for next month.. Still waiting on my new Hakko 888  and busy building a little soldering fume extractor using some cooking hood carbon filters and car interior hepa filters so my kid can enjoy helping dad during the construction with no worries - this jig will do nicely also

    Great when the kids get involved. Growing up, my kids could not care less, except for my daughter who at 6-years old actually helped dad build the VOTT's ...LOL!
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    Post by CletusB on Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:20 pm

    Decided to do the "yellow sheet mod" from the get-go.

    http://dynacotubeaudio.forumotion.com/t1006-tube-rectifier-diode-mod

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    Post by Roy on Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:11 pm

    CletusB wrote:
    Roy wrote:Nice - thank you!   Our own 120 kit is slated for next month.. Still waiting on my new Hakko 888  and busy building a little soldering fume extractor using some cooking hood carbon filters and car interior hepa filters so my kid can enjoy helping dad during the construction with no worries - this jig will do nicely also

    Great when the kids get involved. Growing up, my kids could not care less, except for my daughter who at 6-years old actually helped dad build the VOTT's ...LOL!


    Well keep in mind   kids take for granted what is   and they  only become aware of what was very gradually over the years..
    My dad he was an engineer - very hands on and direct. His hands were like coal shovels in my mind. He did not have a lot of experience with parents - his he lost in WWII.  He  fought his way through life and did pretty darn good for himself and us but yes   we took that for granted.. Things are what they are..  
    Lost him nearly 20 years ago, my mother last year - no grandparents for our little one on my wife's side either. Our son is 5 now and he really wants to do everything his dad can do so bad..You want to protect him from stuff and the enthusiasm and vigor is  hard to channel lol - trying to keep him from hurting himself while not scaring him from things keeping him from exploring is a  very fine balancing act I find.
    Thinking back now it is hard to find fault with how he approached things. Father and son wise there is an element of competition I realize now. And I think speaking for myself a lot of things I could not share with my father I went out of the way of so as to not háve to compete - dont know if that makes much sense the way I write it sorry
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    Post by sKiZo on Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:42 pm

    Looking for a guinea pig to test Roy's new auto bias board ... any volunteers? (nudge nudge)   clown



    One thing I'm not seeing that might be handy is connections for a remote pot to fine tune the auto bias point. Some tubes perform better at different settings. Fer instance, I run my TAD KT88str's at 55 and my KT120's at 60. That can also vary based on typical average wall voltage.

    PS - one other accessory you should definitely plan on getting ... maybe the best $20 you'll ever spend.



    TRC 90033 Shockshield White Portable GFCI Plug with Surge Protection

    Ignore the GFCI part - this type of adapter requires a manual reset on any power blips, and can save yer bacon, preventing multiple inrush loads on the more sensitive bits.


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    Post by CletusB on Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:46 pm

    sKiZo wrote:Looking for a guinea pig to test Roy's new auto bias board ... any volunteers? (nudge nudge)   clown



    One thing I'm not seeing that might be handy is connections for a remote pot to fine tune the auto bias point. Some tubes perform better at different settings. Fer instance, I run my TAD KT88str's at 55 and my KT120's at 60.

    Let's plug it in and see the color of the "magic Smoke" bounce bounce
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    Post by CletusB on Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:51 pm

    VTA Driver Board completed ......time out for a beer! cheers





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    Post by CletusB on Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:57 pm

    sKiZo wrote:Looking for a guinea pig to test Roy's new auto bias board ... any volunteers? (nudge nudge)   clown



    One thing I'm not seeing that might be handy is connections for a remote pot to fine tune the auto bias point. Some tubes perform better at different settings. Fer instance, I run my TAD KT88str's at 55 and my KT120's at 60.

    I see a multi-turn pot on there, could that be the bias "fine-tune"?
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    Post by CletusB on Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:18 pm

    Made some progress this evening with chassis wiring:

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    Post by Roy on Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:03 am

    ..you're going to have to order another one at this rate ^^ Not going for an iec socket btw?
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    Post by CletusB on Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:11 am

    Roy wrote:..you're going to have to order another one at this rate ^^    Not going for an iec socket btw?

    Nope, no IEC. Toyed with the idea of a 3-wire cord and plug though, using the non-functional STEREO/MONO switch as a ground-lift for the earth wire. We'll see, Don't think I need it though as it would probably just create a ground-loop.
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    Post by Roy on Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:15 am

    From what I have gathered from those that put in an IEC and grounded the chassis hum will not be an issue with the vta's - only issue is fitting one in.. Won't fit right behind the power transformer so the fuse holder's position is a good spot for it..
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    Post by CletusB on Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:43 am

    Started at the crack of dawn this morning and the progress has been good.  Really a nice kit to work with and no need to shout out to Bob as yet  Very Happy



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    Post by CletusB on Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:49 am

    A nice touch I think, having it autographed and dated by the Grand-master himself cheers

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    Post by deepee99 on Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:44 pm

    sKiZo wrote:Looking for a guinea pig to test Roy's new auto bias board ... any volunteers? (nudge nudge)   clown



    One thing I'm not seeing that might be handy is connections for a remote pot to fine tune the auto bias point. Some tubes perform better at different settings. Fer instance, I run my TAD KT88str's at 55 and my KT120's at 60. That can also vary based on typical average wall voltage.

    PS - one other accessory you should definitely plan on getting ... maybe the best $20 you'll ever spend.



    TRC 90033 Shockshield White Portable GFCI Plug with Surge Protection

    Ignore the GFCI part - this type of adapter requires a manual reset on any power blips, and can save yer bacon, preventing multiple inrush loads on the more sensitive bits.
    Amen to what Skizo said. *Manual reset* GFCI is a life-saver. Or at least a power-supply saver. Best insurance policy on the planet, even if you have to crawl underneath to re-set it. We get plenty of power blips in northern Idaho this time of year as they switch substations when a tree falls on the power lines due to snow loads. It's *almost* instantaneous but enough to send the pwr supply electrons to war when the juice comes right back on.
    No experience with Roy's auto-bias option but if it's anything like the one Don Sachs uses, definitely worth the expense. Don's is a tube-saver, too, as it won't let the outputs red-plate. They merely crap out when they're done, no fireworks. Mine are biased at .68/tube, due to lower plate voltages. Lose a little power in the ST-120 as a result of the lower plate dissipation, but if your speaks are 90+ dB efficient you won't notice. It has held rock-steady for a half-year now and just flat rocks.
    You can still check the bias tube-by-tube via a selector switch with a Fluke.
    I would definitely investigate.

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    Post by CletusB on Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:51 pm

    Got one on order already!  ....TRC 90033 Shockshield White Portable GFCI Plug with Surge Protection (bought the yellow one)


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    Post by Roy on Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:23 am

    pff  goes to show   a fault can hide well.. Before I got to type here had to fix my pc - would not switch on.. Took it all apart and finally having ruled out a whole lot of other things took out the cpu and found a tiny dust bunny connecting one of the 1155 pins under there... Least its all clean now but   puts to mind a question - do you just visually inspect all the connections Cletus or  before switching it on for the first time do you measure all the connections to make sure?
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    Post by CletusB on Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:20 am

    Good question, and very timely indeed, as we're at the moment of truth now.  My standard procedure is to inspect it very closely one section at a time, take a good break, inspect it again and do as much ohmmeter measurements as possible, then bring it up slowly with a variac or a 100w light bulb in series and observe what's happening with the current.  Of course I will also integrate Bob's writings in the instructions with that protocol.

    Drum roll please   .....here she is:

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    Post by jfine on Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:44 pm

    CletusB wrote:My standard procedure is to inspect it very closely one section at a time, take a good break, inspect it again and do as much ohmmeter measurements as possible, then bring it up slowly with a variac or a 100w light bulb in series and observe what's happening with the current.

    Maybe I should've been more careful and cautious, I built the M125's and just plugged em right in, with an extension cord at a safe distance mind you.
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    Post by CletusB on Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:20 pm

    NO BLUE SMOKE!   She fired right up and biased without any issues!  Sounds AWESOME!  

    I will post pics of the completed unit tonight.  Very Happy bounce
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    Post by erhard-audio on Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:16 pm

    sKiZo wrote:Looking for a guinea pig to test Roy's new auto bias board ... any volunteers? (nudge nudge)   clown



    One thing I'm not seeing that might be handy is connections for a remote pot to fine tune the auto bias point. Some tubes perform better at different settings. Fer instance, I run my TAD KT88str's at 55 and my KT120's at 60. That can also vary based on typical average wall voltage.

    PS - one other accessory you should definitely plan on getting ... maybe the best $20 you'll ever spend.



    TRC 90033 Shockshield White Portable GFCI Plug with Surge Protection

    Ignore the GFCI part - this type of adapter requires a manual reset on any power blips, and can save yer bacon, preventing multiple inrush loads on the more sensitive bits.

    I thought that Auto Bias unit looked familiar! Wink
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    Post by CletusB on Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:30 pm

    Here she is, check out the Ice Hockey Pucks for legs:




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