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    VTA ST-120, Power Tube Redplate, Bias reading 25v!?

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    ChetJettison


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    Post by ChetJettison Sun May 01, 2022 12:04 pm

    Hello everyone,
    I've been enjoying my VTA ST-120 for couple years now, with Gold Lion KT88 power tubes. While listening the other day, I noticed some "thumping" sounds, then a sudden drop in volume. Looked over to see the right rear power tube redplating. Switched the amp off immediately, my friend says he saw a flash in the tubes when I switched it off. I didn't see it myself, but I don't doubt him.
    This event blew the fuse. May have also taken my vintage Amperex 5ar4 with it, though I haven't tested that yet.

    To see what's up, I took out all 4 power tubes and the rectifier, and I installed four Sovtek 6550 power tubes (the ones that came with the amp) and a cheap GrooveTubes GZ34 rectifier.

    Powered on, tested with some music. Sounded OK. Checked the bias after a minute or two. Right side bias was reading fairly normal, about where I had it set. But the LEFT side bias is very weird.
    When testing the lower right test point on the left side, the reading is fairly normal. But the upper left test point (the one with the "Biaset" marking) I'm getting 24 Volts DC!!!!
    That can't be good!
    I didn't bother trying to adjust the bias with a screwdriver, I just double checked my reading to make sure I wasn't going crazy, then switched the amp off. Came straight here.

    This seems particularly odd. A power tube on the RIGHT side was redplating. But now I'm getting weird readings on the LEFT side.

    What does this reading mean? How screwed am I? How can I get my amp back in working order?

    EDIT: It seems that I may have a bad resistor. According to this thread here, I measured resistance of those bias pins with the amp turned off. All measured ~10 ohms, save for the culprit which read zero. So now my question is: where is that resistor, and what do I replace it with? And a follow-up question would be, in what way could the right side redplate event be related to this left side bias resistor failure?
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    Post by Bob Latino Sun May 01, 2022 5:31 pm

    Hi Chet,

    That resistor is a 10 ohm 2 watt resistor that goes from pins 1 and 8 to chassis ground. Usually when that resistor blows, it is an indication that the tube that was in that socket is bad. Don't run the amp until you can replace that resistor. Maybe you should order another tube for that socket. If you just replace the resistor and that tube is bad, it will probably take out that resistor again.

    You can get 5 pieces fairly cheap at the Ebay link below. Be sure to select 10 ohms from the drop down menu.

    2 watt resistors on Ebay

    Bob
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    Post by ChetJettison Sun May 01, 2022 5:43 pm

    Bob Latino wrote:Hi Chet,

    That resistor is a 10 ohm 2 watt resistor that goes from pins 1 and 8 to chassis ground. Usually when that resistor blows, it is an indication that the tube that was in that socket is bad. Don't run the amp until you can replace that resistor. Maybe you should order another tube for that socket. If you just replace the resistor and that tube is bad, it will probably take out that resistor again.

    You can get 5 pieces fairly cheap at the Ebay link below. Be sure to select 10 ohms from the drop down menu.

    2 watt resistors on Ebay

    Bob

    Thank you Bob! I will order a replacement.
    Any insight on why a left side bias resistor went bad, but a right side tube red plated?
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    Post by Bob Latino Mon May 02, 2022 7:38 am

    ChetJettison wrote:

    Thank you Bob! I will order a replacement.
    Any insight on why a left side bias resistor went bad, but a right side tube red plated?

    It could be just a freaky coincidence OR that tube on the right side that red plated may also have an issue ? Change out that resistor and the tube that was in that socket and try the start up again and keep an eye on that right side tube.

    Bob
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    Post by ChetJettison Mon May 02, 2022 11:42 am

    Bob Latino wrote:
    ChetJettison wrote:

    Thank you Bob! I will order a replacement.
    Any insight on why a left side bias resistor went bad, but a right side tube red plated?

    It could be just a freaky coincidence OR that tube on the right side that red plated may also have an issue ? Change out that resistor and the tube that was in that socket and try the start up again and keep an eye on that right side tube.

    Bob

    OK, thanks for the insight. Just to be safe, I put in a whole new batch of tubes. The Svetlana 6550s that came with the kit. If those seem to work without incident for a few weeks, I'll try my Tung-Sol KT120s

    One last question. Could a bad rectifier tube cause any of these issues?

    - Jeff
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    Post by teftamaqua Mon May 02, 2022 12:34 pm

    The same thing happened to me. Except, I powered on my amp without the speakers connected! But, changing the resistor did it. Good luck
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    Post by ChetJettison Mon May 02, 2022 2:38 pm

    teftamaqua wrote:The same thing happened to me. Except, I powered on my amp without the speakers connected! But, changing the resistor did it. Good luck
    Just waiting on my new resistors to arrive. Looking forward to getting back up and running. My backup solid state amp just doesn't have the same oomph.
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    Post by MechEngVic Tue May 03, 2022 1:11 am

    Chet,
    Something to keep in mind regarding the freaky coincidence. If the 4 power tubes were all installed at the same time and have the same hours on them, that could be why the right side red plated but the left side resistor blew. They could all be wearing out evenly. Could be time to replace all 4 tubes and both cathode bias resistors. Consider the cathode bias resistors wear out parts like tubes.
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    Post by ChetJettison Tue May 03, 2022 1:14 pm

    MechEngVic wrote:Chet,
    Something to keep in mind regarding the freaky coincidence. If the 4 power tubes were all installed at the same time and have the same hours on them, that could be why the right side red plated but the left side resistor blew. They could all be wearing out evenly. Could be time to replace all 4 tubes and both cathode bias resistors. Consider the cathode bias resistors wear out parts like tubes.

    I've already got 4 new power tubes lined up, so I'll be replacing them. But I'm not sure the coincidence is due to tube wear. I only just installed these Gold Lion KT88s in December. Four months doesn't seem like enough time to say "hey, these tubes are worn out".

    When you say "both cathode bias resistors" are those the ones Bob was talking about above? Or are those different ones?
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    Post by Roy Mottram Thu May 05, 2022 12:27 am

    "cathode resistors" are the ten ohm resistors connected on pins 1 & 8 of each output tube to ground
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    Post by ChetJettison Wed May 18, 2022 8:05 pm

    Just wanted to say thank you to everyone who replied to my original post. The new resistors arrived, and have been installed to great effect. The amp is now working well. Thank you all for your kind assistance.

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