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    Post by moodyj2000 Thu Jan 26, 2023 2:03 pm

    I am still dealing with parts and pieces from the lot of Dynaco I purchased.  The next piece is the power transformer.  The bottom cover has holes on the bottom and not on the side like I have seen in most PA060 transformers.  Anybody familiar with this?  I don't have a clear picture of the bottom but will take some more this evening.

    I am thinking I need to verify this transformers functions.  Wire colors are fadded so its hard to determine which wire is what.  I've seen the spec's on another post on this site.

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    Post by Bob Latino Thu Jan 26, 2023 7:27 pm

    moodyj2000 wrote:I am still dealing with parts and pieces from the lot of Dynaco I purchased.  The next piece is the power transformer.  The bottom cover has holes on the bottom and not on the side like I have seen in most PA060 transformers.  Anybody familiar with this?  I don't have a clear picture of the bottom but will take some more this evening.

    I am thinking I need to verify this transformers functions.  Wire colors are fadded so its hard to determine which wire is what.  I've seen the spec's on another post on this site.

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    Below are the colors and layout of the original Dynaco PA-060 ST-70 power transformer and A-470 output transformers. If you take off the transformer covers, you may be able to find the actual wire colors. Try that and see if the wires on your transformers are the same colors as indicated on the transformer spec sheets. Note that the measurements shown in the diagrams are in inches.

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    Post by moodyj2000 Fri Jan 27, 2023 9:53 am

    Thanks Bob for the diagrams.  Yes, it definitely is not a PA060.  Just happen to come across a youtube post buy Uncle Doug, who I watch a lot since I am a newbie, and he addressed diagnossing unknow transformers.  The transformer he was using looked exactly like what I have.  It was a Baldwin Organ power transformer.  Did some more digging and wire color and everything are an exact match.  This came off of the chrome plated st-70 that I bought in this lot so somehow it was being used.  Found the following specs for it:
    Red/red-yellow/Red: ~360-0-360V (for B+)
    Yellow/yellow: ~6.8V (6.3V nominal for 12XX7 and 6X6 filaments)
    Brown/brown: ~5.3V (5V nominal for rectifier filaments)
    Green/green: ~14V (15V nominal for relays, etc.)

    How could that have even been used?  This was for the unit that had the chassis punched out for a second rectifier tube.  

    Main question now is can/should this be used for a stock ST-70 rebuild?
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    Post by Bob Latino Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:27 pm

    moodyj2000 wrote:Thanks Bob for the diagrams.  Yes, it definitely is not a PA060.  Just happen to come across a youtube post buy Uncle Doug, who I watch a lot since I am a newbie, and he addressed diagnossing unknow transformers.  The transformer he was using looked exactly like what I have.  It was a Baldwin Organ power transformer.  Did some more digging and wire color and everything are an exact match.  This came off of the chrome plated st-70 that I bought in this lot so somehow it was being used.  Found the following specs for it:
    Red/red-yellow/Red: ~360-0-360V (for B+)
    Yellow/yellow: ~6.8V (6.3V nominal for 12XX7 and 6X6 filaments)
    Brown/brown: ~5.3V (5V nominal for rectifier filaments)
    Green/green: ~14V (15V nominal for relays, etc.)

    How could that have even been used?  This was for the unit that had the chassis punched out for a second rectifier tube.  

    Main question now is can/should this be used for a stock ST-70 rebuild?

    The problem is that the transformer you have has only ONE 6.3 volt AC line because that organ was probably mono and not stereo. The original Dynaco ST-70 had TWO 6.3 volt AC lines. The two green lines and the two brown lines on the original Dynaco ST-70 were rated at 3 amps each. The VTA ST-70, by the way, has two 5 amp 6.3 volt AC lines.

    The power transformer that you have with the two YELLOW 6.3 volt AC lines MAY or MAY NOT have enough amperage to run four output tubes and three 12XX7 driver tubes ?

    Maybe you could pad down that 14 volt (green/green) with resistors to get the voltage down to 6.3 volts AC and use it as a second filament line ?

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    Post by Steve Podski Mon Apr 01, 2024 9:48 am

    Hi Bob,
    Do you have any fixes for a buzzing power transformer in a ST-70. No noise from speakers but when you put your hand on the cover you feel it.
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    Post by Bob Latino Mon Apr 01, 2024 10:19 am

    Steve Podski wrote:Hi Bob,
    Do you have any fixes for a buzzing power transformer in a ST-70. No noise from speakers but when you   put your hand on the cover you feel it.

    Yes .. Go to your local Lowes or Home Depot store and pick up some flat rubber washers that have a hole just big enough that an 8 X 32 screw will fit through the center hole. Place the washer between the bottom of the power transformer and the TOP of the chassis. Tighten the washers until they are firm but not over tight. If you still get some vibration out of the power transformer, try altering the amount of tension on the screws that hold the power transformer to the chassis. See link below from Home Depot. The photo at the link shows what they look like but these may not be the exact size you need ? Maybe bring an 8 X 32 screw with you and find some rubber washers that the screw will fit the opening in the washer. Photo and link below ..

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    Post by peterh Mon Apr 01, 2024 11:33 am

    Steve Podski wrote:Hi Bob,
    Do you have any fixes for a buzzing power transformer in a ST-70. No noise from speakers but when you   put your hand on the cover you feel it.
    If "cover" is the protective cover across the ST70 then another observation could help.
    This cover is of steel. The mail transformer leaks some 60 ( 50) hz magnetically which will
    set the thing perforated steel cover moving.

    Some mechenical damping could be used between the cover and the transformer could reduce the
    moving.

    A permanent solution is to make the cover from a non-magnetic material, alu comes to my mind.

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    Post by Steve Podski Wed Apr 03, 2024 8:57 am

    Thanks Bob.
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    Post by Jerry0 Tue May 21, 2024 8:56 pm

    Customer has a unit with a PA060 Power Transformer with low voltage on pin 8   about 320 your schematic says about 460v dc.   5ar4 changed still same.  720v ac on the pins 6 to 4 .  Take off the wire to pin 8 no change.  Are all PA060 the same?
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    Post by peterh Wed May 22, 2024 1:22 am

    Jerry0 wrote:Customer has a unit with a PA060 Power Transformer with low voltage on pin 8   about 320 your schematic says about 460v dc.   5ar4 changed still same.  720v ac on the pins 6 to 4 .  Take off the wire to pin 8 no change.  Are all PA060 the same?
    Could be a bad can cap. If the first cap fails the psu becomes a LC power supply which has lower B+

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    Post by Jerry0 Wed May 22, 2024 10:34 am

    Cap has been replaced, but will double check it.
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    Post by sweden Thu Jun 06, 2024 5:56 pm

    Hi can i use 6550 or kt 88 tubes in dynaco stereo 70 with dynakit pa-521 power supply
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    Post by Bob Latino Thu Jun 06, 2024 6:25 pm

    sweden wrote:Hi can i use 6550 or kt 88 tubes in dynaco stereo 70 with dynakit pa-521 power supply

    Just my opinion but > I would not use either an original Dynaco PA-060 (120 volt) or the original Dynaco PA-521 (240 volt) power transformers with KT88 or 6550 output tubes. The original Dynaco PA-060 has either a 1 1/2 inch or 1 5/8 inch stack. Those original Dynaco power transformers were slightly undersized for running a 5AR4, four EL34 output tubes and two 7199 driver tubes. The newer VTA power transformers have a 2 1/8 stack and do have enough reserve to run 6550 or KT88 output tubes.

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    Post by Steve Podski Mon Jul 08, 2024 8:47 am

    I have an old ST-70 that I bought off Ebay. I noticed that the transformer leads are cloth covered and a couple are cracked. Any way to fix it?
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    Post by Roy Mottram Mon Jul 08, 2024 1:03 pm

    Shrink wrap tubing

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