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    BIAS problem on one tube (KT90)

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    Post by MarcVBelgium Fri Dec 22, 2023 9:55 am

    My ST-120 has been unused since april 2023..... I started it up a few weeks ago and it sounded perfect ....HOWEVER, when I checked the bias, 3 tubes (KT90) had perfect bias of 0,5 VDC....BUT, the right back tube maxed my MM totally out.... even at 10VDC scale....I didn't have the nerve to try the 50 VDC scale.... Where do I start ?

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    Post by batman7349 Sat Jan 20, 2024 6:50 pm

    Had the same issue today with a set of 6550’s. 3 out of 4 were at .476. The right rear was at 375.1mv. Then my 5AR4 melted down before I could swap tubes to see if it was the 6550 or something else. I posted about it today. I’m guessing the quad cap went, then the 6550, then the rectifier. Going to order the dual rectifier board. Hopefully the will stop this from happening again.
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    Post by Roy Mottram Sat Jan 20, 2024 7:20 pm

    check to make sure the 10 ohm bias resistor has a good connection and still reads 10 ohms
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    Post by Bob Latino Mon Jan 22, 2024 1:07 pm

    Roy Mottram wrote:check to make sure the 10 ohm bias resistor has a good connection and still reads 10 ohms

    I agree with Roy here > The most common cause of ONE output tube having no bias is a bad or blown 10 ohm resistor. Many times though the reason that resistor went bad is that the tube that is in that socket may be bad OR there is a bad contact situation between one of the pins on the tube socket. If you replace that resistor and the NEW resistor blows, then look at the tube in that socket or the socket itself. NOTE > Just because a tube "lights up" is no guarantee that the tube is functioning properly.

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    Post by MarcVBelgium Mon Mar 25, 2024 11:04 am

    Update :    Finally I got to it..... Cleaned all sockets (including the front ones)+ tube pins with DEOX.....changed tubes front/rear to exclude tube failure. Same result... 0.5 VDC for 3 tubes but the right channel rear tube measures no less than 8.2 VDC (!!) with the bias pot completely closed..... Since I am unable (due to handicap) to take the amp out of its cabinet I have not yet checked the 10 Ohm resistor. My tech (50+ years experience with tube amps) visits on wednesday....first thing, we will check the resistor, if that's ok he will take the amp to his "lab" and repair it..... I'll give an update when I know more.....
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    Post by MarcVBelgium Mon Mar 25, 2024 1:38 pm

    BTW, it is NOT that there is NO bias, there is way too much (8.2 VDC)
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    Post by smoorenc Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:14 pm

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    Post by MarcVBelgium Thu Mar 28, 2024 3:59 am

    Any thoughts or advice ?
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    Post by Bob Latino Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:59 am

    MarcVBelgium wrote:Any thoughts or advice ?

    Marc,

    Did you check the value of that 10 ohm 2 watt resistor on that tube socket? It may not have burned out but could have changed its value over the 10+ years you have had the amp ?

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    Post by MarcVBelgium Thu Mar 28, 2024 9:04 am

    Thanks for the suggestion Bob, I'll have my tech look into that.
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    Post by MarcVBelgium Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:06 pm

    My tech's comment :
    Even before I checked the amplifier and took a good look at the plan, I already saw what was wrong, i.e. the cathode resistor has failed. After replacing it with a 2 Watt Rosethal resistor, it plays like new again. Total power wow....2 x 75Watt!!!! Those tubes pull that off without any effort. (KT90 EH)

    All is well again Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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