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    My VTA-ST70 journey

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    Post by audio ken Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:06 pm

    Why did I choose this tube amp vs other “dynacos”? From reviews and I have a good stash of preamp tubes this amp can use.

    From the get go I used TungSol El34 power tubes, Mullard 12au7, Mullard/Hammond 12au7 in center and they provided the right balance with my LSA speakers and Akitika preamp. LSA’s go down little more than I like for bass hence the el34 tubes. My room is well damped but no overly so because Maggie’s 1.7, 1.6 & LSR reflected well off some hard services. I recently acquired the latest Zu Omen DW speakers and they sound so detailed yet sharp in high frequencies. I added snubbers bringing their impedance from 12 to 9 and made a positive difference. Adjusting the carpet spike height brought back some bass I was missing when swapping out LSA for Zu. But I still felt it was mid to top heavy.

    Scouring the forum here and elsewhere I decided on the Genalex KT66 - after all Bob touts it in several threads right?
    After setting the bias...yes I had to go back to the install guide, because I have only used TungSol el34 since building it, that’s how happy was with it.....well I was surprised by the changes.
    The lower end was back, not overly bass-heavy but everything else seems to have some solid end to it. Hard to describe. The huge soundstage and detail is still there just sounding better, which I can attribute to the bass each note has. I find it warmer and to my taste.....and this is my point......it is all subjective and all about synergy. What is good for me might not be for you.

    If you looking for new adventure, I highly recommend looking at KT66....btw I bought mine burnt in for 24 hours and all 4 were exactly matched as I requested.

    One thing though....I chose KT66 also because the impression I got was even though my ST-70 could handle kt88/6550, it needed some changes which I was not too keen on....it works well so leave it be. Let me know if this is correct..?

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    Post by Midwestside Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:52 pm

    So Vinylb,

    Was thinking about getting some KT66 myself. So basically just bias them a bit higher? No special resistor swap or anything?
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    Post by peterh Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:46 am

    Midwestside wrote:So Vinylb,

    Was thinking about getting some KT66 myself. So basically just bias them a bit higher?  No special resistor swap or anything?
    To avoid loading the KT66 outside spec you should change the g1 resistors ( R29 R31 ) from
    270k to 100k. This prevents current avalanche ( aka redplating) when tubes ages.
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    Post by audio ken Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:56 am

    Midwestside wrote:So Vinylb,

    Was thinking about getting some KT66 myself. So basically just bias them a bit higher? No special resistor swap or anything?

    Correct, just swapped out power tubes and biased them little higher. Install guide makes no mention of any resistor changes, but then again it doesn’t either for the 6550/kt88.
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    Post by peterh Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:43 am

    vinylb wrote:
    Midwestside wrote:So Vinylb,

    Was thinking about getting some KT66 myself. So basically just bias them a bit higher?  No special resistor swap or anything?

    Correct, just swapped out power tubes and biased them little higher. Install guide makes no mention of any resistor changes, but then again it doesn’t either for the 6550/kt88.
    I do not know what "install guide" you refer to , but the tube documentation states this.
    https://frank.pocnet.net/sheets/084/k/KT66_GEC.pdf

    Nice thing with finding stuff in the net is that you can get any fact you want. If it is true in another question.
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    Post by audio ken Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:11 pm

    I am referring to Bobs most excellent install guide when you buy the kit from him. If you coming from an older Dynaco or other kit, please do more research about what changes are needed for your amp.

    My power at home is a whopping 125v. I set my variac at 120v with a true sine wave ups attached and then a power strip with volt meter so I know what’s coming out into my amps, preamps and turntable.

    Bob, how about a 300B integrated amp?
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    Post by Bob Latino Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:09 am

    vinylb wrote:Bob, how about a 300B integrated amp?

    There won't be any 300B or any other single ended type tube amps in the VTA amp line up ... Reasons are listed below ..

    1. All the VTA amps are modern versions of original Dynaco tube amps. They all use a push/pull pentode ultralinear output stage. This output stage can drive complex loads from planar magnetic, electrostatic and hybrid speakers very well. Single ended amps can have trouble driving complex speaker loads ..

    2. 300B and other single ended amps are usually pretty low in power. The VTA ST-70 @ 35 WPC has about 4X the power of an 8 watt 300B amp. If you go with a 300B amp, you pretty much must use higher efficiency speakers if you really want to get some volume out of the amp.

    3. Push-pull power sections in tube amps are hum canceling in the output transformer making them very quiet. With a single ended power section there is no hum canceling in the output transformer and you have to rely on larger amounts of power supply filtering to reduce hum. In general, you will get more hum in a single ended amp than in a push-pull amp. Exactly how much more depends on the quality of the design. Single ended designs are also more sensitive to wire locations.

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    Post by audio ken Mon Feb 08, 2021 8:45 pm

    Thank you for such a detailed explanation.

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