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ANK DAC 4.1 Build
Dave_in_Va- Posts : 443
Join date : 2013-04-02
Location : Mid. VA
- Post n°2
Re: ANK DAC 4.1 Build
Do you have a link to those blue helping hand things?
I could use some almost every time I get the soldering iron out.
I could use some almost every time I get the soldering iron out.
jwb474- Posts : 74
Join date : 2014-07-13
Age : 71
Location : Wolfforth, Tx
- Post n°3
Re: ANK DAC 4.1 Build
Dave_in_Va wrote:Do you have a link to those blue helping hand things?
I could use some almost every time I get the soldering iron out.
Here are a couple of links:
https://www.amazon.com/Third-Soldering-Workshop-Non-Slip-Aluminum/dp/B07BQFB44J/ref=sr_1_9?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1544597244&sr=1-9&keywords=helping+hands+soldering+aid
From this link you can view many different versions.
I have this PCB holder: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00Q2TTQEE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Peter W.- Posts : 1351
Join date : 2016-08-07
Location : Melrose Park, PA
- Post n°4
Re: ANK DAC 4.1 Build
Dave_in_Va wrote:Do you have a link to those blue helping hand things?
I could use some almost every time I get the soldering iron out.
https://www.quadhands.com/
https://www.quadhands.com/collections/all
I have one of these options - and I can attest that it is strong, steady, makes tight flexes if necessary, and made in USA. Sold through Amazon.
The movable magnetic arms are very useful. Note that the ends are threaded such that alligator clips are not the only option.
cci1492- Posts : 331
Join date : 2016-05-09
Age : 63
Location : NJ
- Post n°6
Re: ANK DAC 4.1 Build
I made that one out of a piece of thick aluminum I got on eBay. Drilled the holes, tapped the holes and then screwed those cnc coolant nozzles.
https://www.amazon.com/Uxcell-a15091400ux0601-Nozzle-Flexible-Coolant/dp/B018RT31R4/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1544617733&sr=8-3&keywords=cnc+coolant+nozzle
https://www.amazon.com/Uxcell-a15091400ux0601-Nozzle-Flexible-Coolant/dp/B018RT31R4/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1544617733&sr=8-3&keywords=cnc+coolant+nozzle
audiobill- Posts : 425
Join date : 2014-03-13
Location : Albany, NY
- Post n°7
Re: ANK DAC 4.1 Build
All:
This is a very unique R2R multibit, non over sampling, tube rectified, tube analog output, interstage and C-core output transformer coupled dac with no digital filters. Whew!
And, as Bluemeanies and I can attest this piece sounds absolutely fabulous.
Not cheap, but the good stuff in life rarely is.
And please don't buy into the "all dacs sound the same" nonsense. They don't.
This is a very unique R2R multibit, non over sampling, tube rectified, tube analog output, interstage and C-core output transformer coupled dac with no digital filters. Whew!
And, as Bluemeanies and I can attest this piece sounds absolutely fabulous.
Not cheap, but the good stuff in life rarely is.
And please don't buy into the "all dacs sound the same" nonsense. They don't.
Peter W.- Posts : 1351
Join date : 2016-08-07
Location : Melrose Park, PA
- Post n°8
Re: ANK DAC 4.1 Build
audiobill wrote:All:
And please don't buy into the "all dacs sound the same" nonsense. They don't.
Not to quibble - Unique is a singular state. "Very" does not apply
I would never state that "All DACs sound the same. However, I would state that the DA Function is entirely the same, one-to-another. Where differences lie are in the analog functions.
audiobill- Posts : 425
Join date : 2014-03-13
Location : Albany, NY
- Post n°9
Re: ANK DAC 4.1 Build
Peter, not to quibble, but you may wish to acquaint yourself with the differences between single and multibit dacs, and differences in how digital filtering is handled. The ANK uses the AD 1865 chip, not some Sabre variant.
Very different, beyond just the analog output stage.
It's kind of like concluding that all phono cartridges are the same, since their job is to extract an electrical signal from grooves in vinyl, and the phono preamp is the only differentiating factor.
Very different, beyond just the analog output stage.
It's kind of like concluding that all phono cartridges are the same, since their job is to extract an electrical signal from grooves in vinyl, and the phono preamp is the only differentiating factor.
StevieRay- Posts : 67
Join date : 2009-01-09
Age : 61
Location : Central VA
- Post n°10
Re: ANK DAC 4.1 Build
From the ANK website, the parts quality and such are awesome.
And the thing is beautiful on the inside -- such a shame to cover it up with that plain black box.
And for a DAC, it's HUGE!!! At least you're getting a substantial amount of 'stuff' for the money.
I'm sure it does sound awesome.
Me? I just bought a Latino ST-120, so I can't afford this type of thing.
I did buy a new DAC right before I bought the ST-120 -- a Schiit Modi Multibit DAC (Mimby) -- for a whopping $250. And the size of a couple of packs of cigarettes.
I'm an analog fanatic anyway, so spending more than $500 on a DAC is sacrilegious to me.
How does the Mimby sound? Awesome, especially through the ST-120, especially for $250. And no buyer remorse. For $250 it could sound like Schiit and I wouldn't be burnt too bad. And they even had a 15-day return policy, but when warmed up this thing is the Schiit!!!! I'm a believer in multi-bit DAC's.
Enjoy!
And the thing is beautiful on the inside -- such a shame to cover it up with that plain black box.
And for a DAC, it's HUGE!!! At least you're getting a substantial amount of 'stuff' for the money.
I'm sure it does sound awesome.
Me? I just bought a Latino ST-120, so I can't afford this type of thing.
I did buy a new DAC right before I bought the ST-120 -- a Schiit Modi Multibit DAC (Mimby) -- for a whopping $250. And the size of a couple of packs of cigarettes.
I'm an analog fanatic anyway, so spending more than $500 on a DAC is sacrilegious to me.
How does the Mimby sound? Awesome, especially through the ST-120, especially for $250. And no buyer remorse. For $250 it could sound like Schiit and I wouldn't be burnt too bad. And they even had a 15-day return policy, but when warmed up this thing is the Schiit!!!! I'm a believer in multi-bit DAC's.
Enjoy!
Peter W.- Posts : 1351
Join date : 2016-08-07
Location : Melrose Park, PA
- Post n°11
Re: ANK DAC 4.1 Build
audiobill wrote:Peter, not to quibble, but you may wish to acquaint yourself with the differences between single and multibit dacs, and differences in how digital filtering is handled. The ANK uses the AD 1865 chip, not some Sabre variant.
Very different, beyond just the analog output stage.
It's kind of like concluding that all phono cartridges are the same, since their job is to extract an electrical signal from grooves in vinyl, and the phono preamp is the only differentiating factor.
I do not put transducers (mechanical) in the same category as chip sets. Nor do I put what is at either end of the chip set into the all-sounds-alike category.
bluemeanies- Posts : 274
Join date : 2015-02-09
Age : 73
Location : Folsom Pa.
- Post n°13
Re: ANK DAC 4.1 Build
I am not responding to quibble about anything. Just to make a statement that the ANK 4.1 LE external dac completed my system. Prior I owned the Grace design m925 processor/dac which was no slouch but stepping up to the Audionote made a noticeable difference as to what I am hearing.
It is a perfect match for my SP14.
cci1492 enjoy your journey.
Let us know what you think.
It is a perfect match for my SP14.
cci1492 enjoy your journey.
Let us know what you think.
cci1492- Posts : 331
Join date : 2016-05-09
Age : 63
Location : NJ
- Post n°14
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audiobill- Posts : 425
Join date : 2014-03-13
Location : Albany, NY
- Post n°16
Re: ANK DAC 4.1 Build
Waiting for next report!!
audiobill- Posts : 425
Join date : 2014-03-13
Location : Albany, NY
- Post n°18
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Nice work! Keep the reports coming.
bluemeanies- Posts : 274
Join date : 2015-02-09
Age : 73
Location : Folsom Pa.
- Post n°19
Re: ANK DAC 4.1 Build
Nice cci1492...very clean looking.
Looking forward to read your description of what your ears and brain are hearing.
Listening to some blues thru the 4.1...
Looking forward to read your description of what your ears and brain are hearing.
Listening to some blues thru the 4.1...
audiobill- Posts : 425
Join date : 2014-03-13
Location : Albany, NY
- Post n°21
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That's the stuff!!
peterh- Posts : 1833
Join date : 2012-12-25
Location : gothenburg, sweden
- Post n°22
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The black lead on the last transformer picture seems very close to another connector.
And, is'nt these transformer lugs intended to "crimp disconnects ( http://www.elecdirect.com/crimp-wire-terminals/disconnect-terminals-fully-insulated/cfr4na187f-are-fully-insulated-female-disconnects-crimp-terminals-22-18ga-wire-red-187-nylon-100pk) ?
Crimping often gives more reliable conections, and it won't heat the transformer lugs.
PS/
now i think the name is "female spade connector" ( https://www.mouser.se/images/3m/lrg/72F-250-32-NL.jpg )
/DS
And, is'nt these transformer lugs intended to "crimp disconnects ( http://www.elecdirect.com/crimp-wire-terminals/disconnect-terminals-fully-insulated/cfr4na187f-are-fully-insulated-female-disconnects-crimp-terminals-22-18ga-wire-red-187-nylon-100pk) ?
Crimping often gives more reliable conections, and it won't heat the transformer lugs.
PS/
now i think the name is "female spade connector" ( https://www.mouser.se/images/3m/lrg/72F-250-32-NL.jpg )
/DS
cci1492- Posts : 331
Join date : 2016-05-09
Age : 63
Location : NJ
- Post n°23
Re: ANK DAC 4.1 Build
Yes Peter, you are correct on both points. My intention was to show how I wrapped the wires around the lug. After taking the picture the wire was crimped down and soldered. Regarding the crimp wire terminal observation, Audio Note's instructions prescribes solder, hence the hole at the middle outer edge of the terminal.
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Peter W. wrote:Not to quibble - Unique is a singular state. "Very" does not apply
SNARK ALERT: I’ve been sitting on my fingers all night, and I’m feeling a little strident. Correcting someone’s grammatical faux pas is not cool. Says more about you than your target.
Peter W.- Posts : 1351
Join date : 2016-08-07
Location : Melrose Park, PA
- Post n°25
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SNARK ALERT: I’ve been sitting on my fingers all night, and I’m feeling a little strident. Correcting someone’s grammatical faux pas is not cool. Says more about you than your target.
I would respectfully disagree, and rather strongly.
Language is a means of communication, and we are communicating often at a technical level.
So, I DO NOT (necessarily) know what you mean.
I DO (and only) know what you wrote.
In a technical discussion, speculation on what is/was meant is very dangerous.
So when poor grammar causes a departure from accuracy, or a clouding of meaning, then the opportunity for error multiplies.
I have no issues with awkward language.
I have no issues with spelling.
I have no issues with sentence construction as not everyone has a) English as a first language & b) near-fanatical teachers in grades 1 - 12.
But, I do have issues with poor grammar, especially that which dilutes and confuses meaning and accuracy.
I would respectfully disagree, and rather strongly.
Language is a means of communication, and we are communicating often at a technical level.
So, I DO NOT (necessarily) know what you mean.
I DO (and only) know what you wrote.
In a technical discussion, speculation on what is/was meant is very dangerous.
So when poor grammar causes a departure from accuracy, or a clouding of meaning, then the opportunity for error multiplies.
I have no issues with awkward language.
I have no issues with spelling.
I have no issues with sentence construction as not everyone has a) English as a first language & b) near-fanatical teachers in grades 1 - 12.
But, I do have issues with poor grammar, especially that which dilutes and confuses meaning and accuracy.
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