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    Question: Adapting New PAS3 Tone Control PCB To Original 4 Knob Layout

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    JimOfOakCreek

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    Question: Adapting New PAS3 Tone Control PCB To Original 4 Knob Layout

    Post by JimOfOakCreek on Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:39 am

    I'm interested in building the new PAS3 Preamp using the PCB boards offered by Tubes4HiFi. The original PAS3 had 4 knobs, a bass and a treble control for each channel. Whereas the Tubes4HiFi tone control board uses one control for treble and one for bass that effects both channels.

    In other words, the original PAS3 had 4 controls, the new Tubes4HiFi boards uses two controls.

    How does a DIYer deal that issue? How does the new face plates/chassis, that Dynaco Parts announced, deal with that issue? Will the new faceplates have two holes for two controls or four holes?

    Thanks....jim

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    Re: Question: Adapting New PAS3 Tone Control PCB To Original 4 Knob Layout

    Post by Luddite on Sun Jul 03, 2011 5:57 pm

    Jim,

    Roy furnished me with a four tone control option!

    Best Regards,
    Charlie

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    Re: Question: Adapting New PAS3 Tone Control PCB To Original 4 Knob Layout

    Post by JimOfOakCreek on Sun Jul 03, 2011 6:09 pm

    Charlie,

    That's great information. How are you dealing with the filter switch, power switch, tape switch, etc.

    Regards...jim

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    Re: Question: Adapting New PAS3 Tone Control PCB To Original 4 Knob Layout

    Post by tubes4hifi on Sun Jul 03, 2011 6:15 pm

    yes, that preamp is available with either stereo bass and tone (2 controls) or 4 mono controls as the original, with matching faceplates
    no difference in price

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    Re: Question: Adapting New PAS3 Tone Control PCB To Original 4 Knob Layout

    Post by JimOfOakCreek on Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:14 pm

    tubes4hifi wrote:yes, that preamp is available with either stereo bass and tone (2 controls) or 4 mono controls as the original, with matching faceplates
    no difference in price


    Thank you, that answered my question perfectly.

    Question #2: What about the 4 switches, the power, filter, tape, loudness? How are those addressed? Are some of them eliminated completely?

    I hope I'm not asking questions too early in production.

    Best Regards...jim

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    Re: Question: Adapting New PAS3 Tone Control PCB To Original 4 Knob Layout

    Post by tubes4hifi on Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:25 pm

    for a CLONE of the PAS3, you need to use a volume control with a loudness tap, I believe the Radio Shack stereo 100K pot has one,
    the FILTER is a simple capacitor filter with a DPDT switch, neither of those would be on the improved Zmod version, but of course the POWER switch and TAPE/SOURCE switch are no problem.

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    Re: Question: Adapting New PAS3 Tone Control PCB To Original 4 Knob Layout

    Post by JimOfOakCreek on Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:26 pm

    tubes4hifi wrote:for a CLONE of the PAS3, you need to use a volume control with a loudness tap, I believe the Radio Shack stereo 100K pot has one,
    the FILTER is a simple capacitor filter with a DPDT switch, neither of those would be on the improved Zmod version, but of course the POWER switch and TAPE/SOURCE switch are no problem.

    Thanks again for that information. Now I understand how the PAS3 clone chassis and faceplates and the electronic components will work together.

    My current system is laptop computer, an outboard USB DAC, and an ST-35 amp powering efficient full range speakers in 1.4 cu ft cabinets. I am driving my ST-35 directly from my outboard DAC, using iTunes software controls for volume control. In other words I don't use a preamplifier.

    I can get by fine until the PAS3 chassis /faceplates clones become available.

    Thanks again, Regards...jim

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    Re: Question: Adapting New PAS3 Tone Control PCB To Original 4 Knob Layout

    Post by j beede on Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:44 pm

    JimOfOakCreek wrote:
    tubes4hifi wrote:for a CLONE of the PAS3, you need to use a volume control with a loudness tap, I believe the Radio Shack stereo 100K pot has one,
    the FILTER is a simple capacitor filter with a DPDT switch, neither of those would be on the improved Zmod version, but of course the POWER switch and TAPE/SOURCE switch are no problem.

    Thanks again for that information. Now I understand how the PAS3 clone chassis and faceplates and the electronic components will work together.

    My current system is laptop computer, an outboard USB DAC, and an ST-35 amp powering efficient full range speakers in 1.4 cu ft cabinets. I am driving my ST-35 directly from my outboard DAC, using iTunes software controls for volume control. In other words I don't use a preamplifier.

    I can get by fine until the PAS3 chassis /faceplates clones become available.

    Thanks again, Regards...jim

    So the preamp is to add a phono input?

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    Re: Question: Adapting New PAS3 Tone Control PCB To Original 4 Knob Layout

    Post by JimOfOakCreek on Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:28 am

    [quote="j beede"

    So the preamp is to add a phono input?[/quote]

    Yes, I'd like to add a phono input, plus have more line inputs as well as tone controls. Then again,I just like the Dynaco retro-look. I also feel that a PAS3 offers good performance and value.

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    Re: Question: Adapting New PAS3 Tone Control PCB To Original 4 Knob Layout

    Post by Bob Latino on Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:56 am

    JimOfOakCreek wrote:[quote="j beede"

    So the preamp is to add a phono input?

    Yes, I'd like to add a phono input, plus have more line inputs as well as tone controls. Then again,I just like the Dynaco retro-look. I also feel that a PAS3 offers good performance and value.[/quote]

    The Dynaco PAS-2 or PAS-3 preamps in stock form do not offer good value with respect to sound quality in light of what is available today for preamps. You may like the retro look of the PAS-2/3 but these preamps must be heavily modified to give sound quality equal to the Dynaco amps. If you pair even a stock ST-70, Mark III, Mark IV etc. amp with a stock PAS-2/3 you are holding the amp back. The other thing is that if you do modify a PAS-3 with better boards, bypass the tone controls etc. - it will sound better but you will add no "value" to the preamp and may even devalue the preamp if you ever decide to sell the preamp. I have seen a number of cases where a person buys a stock PAS-2/3 in good to excellent condition for $250 - $275 and then puts in another $150 - $200 in new boards, tubes, power supply capacitors etc. and then sells the preamp later for the same $250-$275. Original PAS2/3's are worth as much or more in dollar value even though they may not sound as good as a modified PAS-2/3.

    Instead of using a PAS-2/3 preamp on a system you are going to play on a daily basis, you are better off both sound wise and dollar value wise to just buy Roy's SP-8 preamp kit for just under $600. All the parts are new and the sound quality will exceed even a modified PAS2/3.

    Bob

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    Re: Question: Adapting New PAS3 Tone Control PCB To Original 4 Knob Layout

    Post by JimOfOakCreek on Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:12 pm

    Bob Latino wrote:
    Instead of using a PAS-2/3 preamp on a system you are going to play on a daily basis, you are better off both sound wise and dollar value wise to just buy Roy's SP-8 preamp kit for just under $600. All the parts are new and the sound quality will exceed even a modified PAS2/3.

    Bob[/size][/b]

    Thank you very much for your input Very Happy . I am debating my options in my mind.


    Regards...jim

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